The new twist on the story is that the creator of badjocks.com, one Bob Reno, did have to pay for the pictures, and in fact was violating the terms of agreement for the website when he took them and posted them on his own website.

Although that site (Nandovia) takes a very flippant stance on hazing (really, everyone involved from Reno to the Northwestern soccer team to the above site seems distasteful to me), it is at least an interesting note on the matter. I had previously thought that the pictures were posted for anyone to view. But if he obtained them through subscription, does Reno open himself to litigation?

 Satchmo -- 5/18/2006 4:52 PM  

How would banning athletes from a website help at all? If they're going to violate the rules and haze, they're not going to have a huge problem posting photos on the net. All it would do is make things just a little bit more ridiculous for rule-obeying athletes.

 Adam -- 5/18/2006 5:10 PM  

Okay, I have some questions which are colored in absolutely no way by the fact that I'm a Northwestern letterman myself. And no, I did not undergo any hazing.

While certainly distasteful and embarrassing, this stuff is not anywhere near what happened in Durham. The university ban on hazing was broken, and...well, that seems to be about it. Oh, and drinking.

The humiliation which is at the center of this scandal was less in the acts themselves than in their revelation. By contrast, the acts themselves were the problem at Duke.

Now, that said, I think that every single non-freshman member of the NU soccer team should be kicked out of school.

Collin

 Anonymous -- 5/18/2006 5:48 PM  

Obviously, when I said I had questions I meant that I didn't have questions so much as I had an observation. And I'm an idiot.

Collin

 Anonymous -- 5/18/2006 5:49 PM  

Hazing? That's funny. I've heard of everything from beastiality to involvement with human feces/urine. This...this is not hazing.

Underage drinking, blindfolds, simulated sex acts and more clothes than are usually worn on the beach, oh my. I've never heard of such things at college before! What's this world coming to?

Of course the university has to take action now that it's been brought up, but this is not the big deal people are making it out to be. The flavor of the spring and summer seems to be "Faults of athletes".

Sounds like the owner of Badjocks.com didn't get enough high fives in high school. I really like the way he spins the photos by showing a photo where "at least the seniors are having fun" when in all but one picture just about everyone's smiling.

If people have such an issue with these actions, I suggest they take a good look outside of sports culture and seriously evaluate college culture, because none of this stuff is rare on campus for both athletes and non-athletes.

 Anonymous -- 5/18/2006 6:37 PM  

Er, to clarify on my other comment, I've heard of other, legitmate hazing incidents that involved human feces/urine, etc. No one should have to go through THAT amount of crap to build team solidarity, but calling what happened here hazing is only going to make more people roll their eyes at any hazing problem NCAA sports might have.

 Anonymous -- 5/18/2006 6:40 PM  

Anonymous - none of this is hazing? They're making it a big deal because it's sports? Of course it happens on college campuses. But it doesn't make it acceptable.

The freshmen were made to perform lapdances for members of the men's team. Is that not hazing? My own school had an incident a couple of years ago where girls rushing a sorority were made to do something similar - I think that if it was more publicized, much more would have been made of the incident then a slap on the wrist.

Likewise, I've been told that members of the Stanford women's swim team are subjected to very similar treatment by their seniors - lapdances, naked runs, etc. People online can laugh about it, but at the root of it is a humiliating and inappropriate act of hazing. It's so humiliating that a lot of the people subjected to the act stay silent about it.

The problem with incidents like this is that people don't think it's hazing. That's it part of growing up or some crap like that. Read the rules and definitions of hazing. This was hazing. Forcing someone to something demeaning against their will . . . that's hazing. Look at the pictures. I don't see any of the freshmen laughing by the time they're being forced to perform lapdances and drink beer after doing situps.

 Satchmo -- 5/18/2006 9:21 PM  

So, how do we know they were forced again?

 Anonymous -- 5/19/2006 12:12 AM  

Anonymous - you would do that of your own free will? perhaps you would, and perhaps they did as well. But nevertheless, they were put into a situation that was embarassing, and with the group and their team elders present, there was undoubtedly a large pressure to adhere to the demands of the group, to the extent that "free will" is a very touchy subject in the situation. They may have chosen to participate, but there is at least a large degree of coercion.

I'm not even sure consent needs to be discussed here - isn't this hazing whether or not consent was given?

 Satchmo -- 5/19/2006 1:13 AM  

It is one thing to do hazing of this nature, and i realize there is tradition involved, however the bigger issue is the pictures that made it online.

 tommie -- 5/19/2006 9:45 AM  

Am I the only person who finds this NU "scandal" simply an opportunity for the fun police to say "tsk-tsk" once again?

It's especially precious when one of these scolds bleats to the heavens that these girls's lives will be "ruined" because of publicity the photos have engendered, apparently unaware they've contributed to this process with their own paternalism.

 Brian Moore -- 5/19/2006 12:54 PM  

tommie,

speaking again as a Northwestern ex-athlete myself... there is no tradition involved here. However, I do agree that the bigger issue is the fact that the pictures made it online, not that the incident happened.

Collin

 Anonymous -- 5/19/2006 1:34 PM  

Geoffrey,

Your the lawyer here, so doesn't stopping the players from posting their prior restraint or otherwise an unlawful restriction of their First Amendment rights?

 Pinski -- 5/19/2006 3:17 PM  

pinski,

I don't think a private University like Northwestern has to worry about prior restraint issues in this case. I think their position becomes stronger if they place the restraints on those to whom they offer scholarships.

Collin

 Anonymous -- 5/19/2006 3:44 PM  

http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2006/04/nospace-is-myspace-inappropriate-for.html

Check my post on the appropriateness of myspace and similar sites for athlete postings and first amendment issues associated with it.

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