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Tuesday, April 08, 2008
Kansas, You Need to Play Hardball Now It hasn't even been 24 hours since Kansas won the national championship and Bill Self is already talking about his contract situation -- and one that still has four years remaining on it! In an interview after the game last night, Self told ESPN that he wouldn't rule out listening to an offer from Oklahoma State: "That's my alma mater. I know people down there. But they haven't contacted me." Although Self signed a five-year contract extension last season that increased his annual compensation to more than $1.3 million with a chance to make another $350,000 each year if he meets incentives, Self told ESPN after the game that he needs to talk to KU athletic director Lew Perkins: "I want to visit with my athletic director. To be real honest with you, I love Kansas. I love my job here, and hopefully it will be a situation where I can spend a long time here. I'm certainly not looking to leave, but Lew and I got to visit. I'm sure that'll happen in the next couple days." Enough is enough! It's time to play hardball, Lew. Tell Self that you're going to hold him to his 5 year commitment he signed last year. Tell him that if he leaves for OSU, a lawsuit will be immediately filed against both Self (for breach) and OSU (for interference with contractual relations) seeking a negative injunction preventing Self from signing with OSU. Having just won a national championship bolsters a claim of irreparable harm to KU necessary for injunctive relief, in other words, that money damages are inadequate and not ascertainable. Self may be feeling like he has a leg up on you because his contract doesn't contain a buyout provision. But ironically, the fact that Self's contract does not have a liquidated damages clause if he terminates would support a claim for injunctive relief. Moreover, courts are most likely not going to be sympathetic to Self who is already handsomely compensated. The timing is right, and KU is ideally situated, for an eager court to throw a wrench into this rapidly moving carousel of college coaches. 52 Comments:
Tell me you didn't just make the "handsomely compensated" argument?
If Kansas weren't paying slave wages he'd have no need to look elsewhere. :)
Could not agree more with this post. Enough IS enough already. Will Kansas have enough guts, will its AD have enough guts....will its President have enough guts to say, "No."
The problems is that Kansas will not want to keep a coach that doesn't want to coach there, if that is the case. I understand you are just trying to make a point and may not actually advise them to follow through on an interference action, but it does not appear that OSU has committed any actual interference with the Self/Kansas contract. Even if Self does end up leaving, it sounds like it will be on his own accord. Also, isn't OSU allowed to merely offer a better option to Self?
You don't think that contract has a buyout? There won't be any lawsuit because if Self leaves Kansas for OSU, one of two things will happen:
Anon 10:57,
Just to play devil's advocate...why should Coach Self be punished for accepting a more financially lucrative job when the very players he coaches do the exact same thing when someone whispers in their ear that they will be a first round draft pick if they declare themselves eligible? Many players turn their backs on their team at the first sign of green paper.
Bill Self basically recruited Illinois' entire team that Bruce Webber took to the championship game in 2005. He has some coaching skills, and should be applauded.
Everyone really ought to stop arguing morality here. This is a contract issue. The reason that college coaching salaries are completely out of control is that no university or athletic director has any guts at all to put their own neck on the line (other than WVU it appears). It is much easier to fire a coach (but paying them hundreds of thousands of dollars for, let's say, the next five years). For that matter, faculty are powerless (so it seems) and the AD runs a ship separate from the university entirely (talking about the bigger programs). Myles Brand hides behind the "we are voluntary, non-profit organization" while coaches are laughing at everyone. Karcher is right: someone end the March Madness, so to speak, and someone take charge because the NCAA and its member institutions (as a whole) cannot control themselves from themselves.
Anon 4:12,
Rick,
If the NCAA truly viewed this as a problem it could implement something similar to NFL which requires compensation if a head coach under contract leaves to take another job. Instead of compensation however it could require the school signing the coach to forfeit scholarships. If OSU was required to lose 3 scholarships for a period of 4 years there is no way Self would take the job. Coaches value having a full contingent of scholarships as much as they value money. Just like with NFL however, if an assistant leaves to take a head coaching job then there is no compensation/punishment.
I understand your point, but I couldn't disagree more. If someone wants to leave, they set a bad precedent for themselves by keeping them there. You would have:
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Wayne,
College coaches and their agents are loving all of this. Until someone says enough is enough (including faculty who have been nullified in this whole process) the numbers will keep going up and up and decades from now we will still be told, "it's an arms race" but no one will do anything about it.
I can hear Vitale's incoherent rant about this in my head right now--"Oh. come on Kansas, He's a great coach! He's got to be able to get more money, Baby! You shouldn't stop him from doing that, Baby!" (never mind that his annual salary is higher than that of, say, the entire English department).
"never mind that his annual salary is higher than that of, say, the entire English department"...you mean the entire college of education, including the Dean.
No court is going to force an employee to remain employed if he doesn't want to be. A term agreement primarily protects the employee, not the school. If you know a case, after the Dredd Scott decision, where an employee was enjoined from quitting from his job, please direct us to it.
Anon 9:32
....and the salary of the President and Provost of the University, too.....
Anon 9:32,
How exactly does "taking a stand" and going through legal action HELP the university of Kansas? More often than not, he was going to be given a raise anyway...that is just how big-time sports work, regardless of whether that is right or wrong. Bill Self also went on to say that he was looking for "years" which leads me to believe that he isn't looking for money. He wants job security in writing.
I just don't see the irreperable harm to Kansas that would justify injunctive relief. They have the right to provable damages, that's about it. I'm not aware of any court that issued injunctive relief to prevent someone from working just because they signed a term agreement with another employer. If there is such a case, please direct us to it.
All it takes is ONE just ONE A.D. or University to say "enough is enough" and that the coach must honor his or her contract. Have faith: that will send shock waves throughout the system and coaches might actually feel that signing a contract actually matters. The college Presidents need to take control of this rather than cater to Boosters like Phil Knight, T-Boone, etc.
John R.
Anon (1:37 PM) --
What about the idea of nicluding a non-compete agreement in coaches contracts?A broad one might be arguably unenforceable depending on what state you are in. But lets assume that you are in a major conference and would want to prevent a coach from hopping to another conference school? Perhaps this might be narrow enough for even the most stringent states to enforce this provision?
John R,
No confusion. Just no guts. Who will be the first to have guts and say, "no".?....sadly, probably nobody...
The basis is that I actually negotiate these contracts for a living. And I will tell you that the compensation in these contracts is tiered into different levels: salary, media appearances, appearances, endorsement income. The salary piece is only a small piece of the overall salary, but that is all the school is on the hook for in most of these contracts. And again, the "for cause" definition has become broad enough that these have become almost "at will" agreements.
Might Self choose to continue coaching Kansas if he were enjoined from going elsewhere? Really, that is all KU would be looking for him to do--honor his obligation to them. If KU gets the injunction, it is not looking to terminate Self (and the contract) which would make the injunction inappropriate.
I'm sorry but in the real world the school is not going to get an injunction. Coaches leave schools all the time for better jobs. Almost all of them had years left on their agreement when they resigfned. And yet, when was the last time a school successfully enjoined a coach from taking another job? Why do you think that is?
John R,
John R,
I believe I said the "vast majority" of coaches contracts are more favorable to the school than the coach. I don't see how an ambiguous cluase benefits anyone but the lawyers, but even if that's true, the coach would still have to sue the school to get his money and that can be a hardship. But of course, I didn't say the clause are ambiguous, I said they are broad.
John R.
Buyout clauses...liquidated damages....injunctions.....none of it matters when you have boosters who say, "Don't worry, I'll pay for it"...and they get out their checkbook. And once again, the coaches and agents laugh all the way to the bank while faculty and fans alike scratch their heads and say, "this is not right" or "this is unethical." All of this really addresses issues long overdue: Who runs the university, what is the role of the faculty (basically they are completely irrelevant) and most importantly who is in charge of the athletic department?
I don't think I made my earlier point clear. Understanding of course that schools or businesses have no obligation to be consistent in their positions.
Maybe there is hope that colleges, college Presidents, and others will take charge after all? http://cspinet.org/new/200804091.html
I'm going to try to bring this back to the point I'm trying to make with my original post. Let's say one of the boosters has a timber business and he has a 5 year contract to purchase timber from Bill for a certain price. After year one, the market price of timber increases and Bill can sell his timber to one of the booster's competitors at a higher price. If Bill went to the booster and said "we need to renegotiate our contract," the booster would stick to his guns and say no way. If Bill breached and sold his timber to the competitor, booster would get his money damages (and would not be entitled to an injunction) by way of a lawsuit or most likely settlement. One thing is for certain, there's not a snows chance in hell that booster would throw more money at Bill just because the market price for his timber went up.
The answer, of course, is #3. It would be very hard for a school to prove that the coach's services are "unique." The Lajoie case you cited earlier involved an athlete, that has always been treated differently by the courts (and of course the lajoie case involved a non-compete clause).
I wish university general counsel were reading this post.
John,
John R,
I guess money isn't everything...unless KU has come up with an unbelieveable amount of money in a hurry.
The interesting question for me is what would occur if Kansas were able to get an injunction preventing Self from accepting another job. Given the 13th Amendment, they could force him to coach for Kansas, but would they have to continue to pay him for the injunction to remain in place?
I repeat my earlier question: Why would KU need to hire a new coach? Might Self, precluded from leaving, have decided to continue coaching there? Might KU have wanted to keep him from coaching there, which is why it sought the injunction in the first place?
Self could decide to coach for Kansas in the face of a negative injunction, I'm just assuming he wouldn't. There will be hard feelings, and he would likely get paid either way.
John R,
There is simply no chance a court would rule that he can't take another job and the university doesn't have to pay him during that time period. That would be tantamount to forcing him to work for the school, which is a violation of the 13th amendment. The school elected its remedy -- injunction.
John R, |